This is because it’s a failure of one of the major rules of user interfaces: The amount of documentation that the user needs to read should be (a) minimized, (b) no more than an amount proportional to the amount of complexity of the result that they want, and (c) clearly related to what the user wants to do. A “MoinMoin will do this complex thing that requires lots of work to set up right, unless you read the documentation to tell it not to” setup clearly violates those rules — a user who wants a simple wiki should not need to read documentation on how to set up language-dependent behavior, and should not need to go through the effort of disabling it.

UI についても一言一句賛成です。どうして大きなプロジェクト（e.g. Mercurial）が MoinMoin を使うのかほんとに不思議。たぶん Python で書かれているからなんでしょうが、これは Python にとってネガティブな宣伝ですよね。

いい記事なので、あとで僕のブログで翻訳させてもらうかもしれません。

Hope you understood my Japanese. それでは。

- Satoshi

I won’t go into details about some wrong and some true stuff you wrote as this is not the place to discuss about moin, just one thing:

You complain about moin’s way of doing i18n, but it simply is the admin who has configured it wrong for his application and obviously has not read the configuration help pages (HelpOnLanguages, HelpOnConfiguration).

Since 1 or 2 years moin even has HelpOnLanguages as default front page to avoid that misconfiguration. And guess what - some people ask us why they get that as front page instead of just reading it.

So for that, you’re beating a dead horse.

And btw, pointing to a misconfigured site with a stoneage moin 1.3 install is not quite the best example for a moin site. Obviously the admin didn’t care when installing it and does not care about maintaining / updating it either.

If you need more bad stuff to rant about: the are many unmaintained (moin) wikis with lots of spam in them - because admin and users don’t care. Now blame moin for it.

I hope you could read that. Can’t really tell how much Danish you’ve learned so far :)

In an article criticising the wiki engine MoinMoin I just read a great statement:
I realised that it’s the C++ of wikis — not only will it not solve your problems, it will cause new ones that will make you long for your original ones.

I love th…

Look at Wikipedia even, utterly useless interface and search system, the best way to navigate wikipedia is fucking google

Did you have any chance to try the /hunchentoot/test/parameter_latin1_post.html?

Thank you for a great hack!

– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_franca#Chinese

Sure, English is also a lingua franca. Nothing about its definition says there can be only one. It’s an attribute of a language, not a contest between them.

Galo, sorry, I must disagree. Chinese *is* a lingua franca.

Lingua franca does not mean “anyone can understand it”, which is trivially false of all languages. It means “widely used beyond the population of its native speakers”, which Chinese definitely is.

And I am sorry if I offended the chinese language (such a beautiful language) by comparing it with the worst invention in programming languages, EVER.